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natuxatu · Sep 29, 2007, 03:06 AM // 03:06

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Originally Posted by Mercury Angel

It's called an Anti-Griefing system for a reason, I'd imagine, rather than Anti-Leeching system.

The act of joining games for the purpose of annoying your team, and reducing their chances of winning could easily be construed as griefing, and this isn't any kind of spin on the matter. It's been called griefing prior to the introduction of the system, it just wasn't considered punishable before.

I think there's a case to be made here, but not over this. I think this is the system working-as-intended.

QFT The majority will not report you unless you are not taking it seriously or doing something you shouldn't. If you're not taking it seriously then you get what you get because there are those who do. Besides it's just a report thingy and it goes away so it's not the end of the world.

Edit: I do see the other side of the argument though and it does have valid points but again it's A.Nets call either way. However now the people who played before can play they way they want and have some control.. even if it's temporary or changes are made... I think it's a good starting point.

Shadowfox1125 · Sep 29, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

So can Anet look at your total playing time to see if you're playing a poor build on purpose or not? I've played for 29 months, and I'm now in college, where I'm meeting quite a few people who want to try GW PvP. I don't want to be rude and deny their requests. They make their own builds because it's a great experience and a part of what GW really is. Not to be selfish, but I don't want to receive dishonorable points because of this. IMO the system just isn't as efficient as it was intended to be.

bhavv · Sep 29, 2007, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by kunt0r

Sorry bhavv, but if 100% of your teammates think you're an idiot and report you for it, sounds like the system is working as intended. And for your information, no one is going to get banned for reporting someone else. Random Arena means Random teams, not bringing stupid skills, griefing your teammates, and whining like a little girl when you get prevented from PvPing.

RA =/= PVP.

RA = Fun.

You phail, better luck next time.

People bring stupid skills all the time, it doesnt classify as leeching unfortunately. If your that upset, ask to add a report function for idiot skillbars, so we can report every tom dick and harry that play lame bars in RA.

There isnt an option for reporting people for being an idiot unfortunatly, and I doubt there ever will be. We have skills in the game, we can use them how we like. If that creates a proble, sort the skills out, you cant roport or ban the player for using a gimmick bar.

RA isnt serious PVP. If your so bothered about it you can make your own team in TA.

Boops · Sep 29, 2007, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

But there is a major difference between testing a build that may suck, and making a build that is supposed to suck.

how can you tell?

for example:

i'm making a ranger

he has 12 fire magic and 12 expertise

let's call this build "cheap fire nuker"

he's got fire storm, flare, and throw dirt

so if i'm new...this build is ok, but if i'm just doing it to goof off, it's not?

do you have anything against doods who sync or leave?

because after all, they play ra to win

Brett Kuntz · Sep 29, 2007, 03:25 AM // 03:25

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Originally Posted by bhavv

RA =/= PVP.

RA = Fun.

You phail, better luck next time.

People bring stupid skills all the time, it doesnt classify as leeching unfortunately. If your that upset, ask to add a report function for idiot skillbars, so we can report every tom dick and harry that play lame bars in RA.

There isnt an option for reporting people for being an idiot unfortunatly, and I doubt there ever will be. We have skills in the game, we can use them how we like. If that creates a proble, sort the skills out, you cant roport or ban the player for using a gimmick bar.

RA isnt serious PVP. If your so bothered about it you can make your own team in TA.

Look, I understand you suck at this game, so I'll try to spell it out for you: Purposely ruining the fun for others will get you reported, so stop crying about it.

If you're so bothered about it, you can grab 3 more idiots and make your own team in TA.

And learn english, every sentence you wrote has something wrong with it.

Burst Cancel · Sep 29, 2007, 03:25 AM // 03:25

Some of you are throwing around a lot of meaningless hypotheticals without considering their practical aspects. Sure, we all agree that there is a difference between griefing and playing badly - how are you going to tell which is which? Aside from the really obvious examples, there simply isn't any good way to do it.

Again, people can report pretty much whoever they feel like. If your teammates get pissed off because your build is a joke, what's to prevent them from reporting you? Even if it were moderated by Anet staff, they could claim that they thought you were griefing because your build sucked so much, or because you were playing too badly ("nobody could possibly play that badly!").

"Play to win" would mean that sync-joining would be okay - they're playing to win. Or people who leave because everyone else on the team sucks. If you can report people that lower your chances of winning, why should you be penalized when you won't tolerate others who lower your chances of leaving?

moriz · Sep 29, 2007, 03:47 AM // 03:47

personally, i think this /report system is a lot of bull. anet support cannot possibly handle a system like this. in fact, no support department in the world can hope to handle a system like this.

there are three possible outcomes that can result from all this. 1: anet will drop the /report command because their support department cannot keep up. 2: anet will not drop the /report command, but they will simply ignore it because they can't keep up. or 3: their support department spontaneously implode from trying to keep up with /report, and they'll shoot whoever thought this up in the nuts, castrate him, hack off his legs, and hang him upside down for 5 years.

no matter what, /report won't be here for long.

Craywulf · Sep 29, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

I'm totally new at PvP, what is leeching and griefing?

bhavv · Sep 29, 2007, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by kunt0r

Look, I understand you suck at this game, so I'll try to spell it out for you: Purposely ruining the fun for others will get you reported, so stop crying about it.

And learn english, every sentence you wrote has something wrong with it.

This is the kind of behaviour we need to be reporting in the game, I think everyone would agree on that.

Im far better at this game then you are, and my english is a lot better then yours. You should learn to read.

You also fail to understand simple terms - Leeching isnt playing the game and using skills, it isnt something you can get accused of doing when you are actually playing the game. If you dont like my skill bar, no one cares tbh. Report me for leaching for having a noob skillbar and risk getting banned.

The ingame message when you enter RA is very clear:

To report a teammate for leaching, select an INACTIVE teammate and type /report. Abuse of this feature may result in your account being banned.

You obviously cant understand that, and critisise my english. Get back into english class and start learning to read.

Hailey Anne · Sep 29, 2007, 03:54 AM // 03:54

I just got reported for leeching in AB when i wasnt.
I had JUST died and was starting to set up my enchants and then boom report.

Tachyon · Sep 29, 2007, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by kunt0r

And learn english, every sentence you wrote has something wrong with it.

Shouldn't it be a capital 'E' for English?

o m g pizowned · Sep 29, 2007, 04:03 AM // 04:03

CHILDREN!
anyway, anet fails again..

hallomik · Sep 29, 2007, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by Craywulf

I'm totally new at PvP, what is leeching and griefing?

Griefing is deriving sick pleasure from ruining the gaming experience for others. It can take many forms.

Leeching is joining a team but contributing next to nothing in order to get benefit from the effort of others.

Kashrlyyk · Sep 29, 2007, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by moriz

personally, i think this /report system is a lot of bull. anet support cannot possibly handle a system like this....

But the beauty of an ingame report system is, it can be easily run by a script. They may not do it now, but who nows about later.

Isileth · Sep 29, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07

I think you have to look at how you are playing. If you take in a build that is intended to help your team, no matter how bad a build, you become just another random build anyone can team with.
So how RA is supposed to work. Random builds, but the same goal. (Now some people will play for fun rather than to win, but since you are playing a game you should be playing towards the goal of the game no matter if you care about winning or not)

However, if you take a build with the intention of preventing your team from winning, such as saccing yourself. Then you have crossed the line and people are right to report you.

bhavv · Sep 29, 2007, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by hallomik

Leeching is joining a team but contributing next to nothing in order to get benefit from the effort of others.

Unfortunately not, Leeching is joining a team and doing nothing, I.E remaining active. A mending wammo doesnt contribute anything to a group, neither does a flare spammer. They arent leechers.

Leeching is being inactive, that is not doing anything at all. Ok, so in my build I am using chillblains to remove enemy enchantments. So I am still comtributing a lot more then a wammo does XD.

hallomik · Sep 29, 2007, 04:23 AM // 04:23

The new dishonor system is player controlled.

The other members on the team have to agree to report a person, because if only one person does it, THAT lone reporter gets the dishonor points.

Therefore, even if you don't think what you're doing is leeching, if enough other people on your team agree you are leeching, you get the points.

You can complain about Anet, but it is really the community that is making the judgment.

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Dishonor

Dishonor points affect game types that have randomly formed teams such as Random Arenas, Alliance Battles, and Competitive Missions.

An account may be given dishonor points for leaving a PvP match prematurely, for leeching experience or faction, or for falsely reporting teammates for leeching.

Players who leave a PvP match prematurely will receive 5 dishonor points.
If a player is reported for leeching, that player will receive 2 dishonor points for each report against him. Players who report a team member for leeching without a third of their team also reporting that player will also receive 2 dishonor points.

Any account that has accumulated 10 or more dishonor points is given the Dishonorable status, which is displayed as a buff icon on screen. While affected by this status, no characters present on that account may enter any PvP missions.

The Dishonorable status remains in effect for 1 minute for each accumulated dishonor point. This status cannot be removed by logging out or changing characters.

When the duration of the Dishonorable status has expired, characters on that account may once again join PvP missions.

Dishonor points will remain on the player's account for a total of 60 minutes. If further dishonor points are acquired during this period, that account is once again given the Dishonorable status, though for a longer period of time.
To clear dishonor points from an account, a player must go 60 minutes without accumulating any new dishonor points.

Sakura Az · Sep 29, 2007, 04:48 AM // 04:48

i got reported for leeching in ab jsut as the game was starting, imediatly i was like whattt? over team chat, this provoked a lot of laughing about how the system was flawed. (i think it was the assassin in my team that ran off and tried to take on the entire kurz team at once that reported me)

Mineria · Sep 29, 2007, 04:56 AM // 04:56

I have to agree with the OP's point of view.

You cant have any fun in Random Arenas or Alliance Battles for that sake?
The community doesn't allow players to test builds either?
Sorry, but that is the worst kind of crap I ever heard.
I know it exist in form of ping your build for elite missions, but for some of the pvp where it is more about having fun and learning.
Its a game and not a job, for crying out loud.

Seraphic Divinity · Sep 29, 2007, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

Well, I guess there goes me playing a monk with unyielding aura so I can repeatedly kill team mates.

go to AB with that ^^ much more fun and less risk of getting reported by 1/3 of the people :P...